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Katie: Good day and welcome to the “Wellness Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com. And I’m right here as we speak with a good friend of mine who I additionally discover extraordinarily inspirational each as a dad or mum and as a enterprise proprietor and simply in the way in which he lives his life. I’m right here with Angelo Keely who’s the co-founder and CEO of Kion, which is a way of life complement and practical meals firm devoted to serving to individuals reside their most vibrant, fulfilling life. And there are some hyperlinks and particular codes for that within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm for those who wanna test it out. However Angelo is equally dedicated to producing high quality merchandise as he’s to making a vibrant, self-aware, and playful firm tradition for his workers, which we discuss as we speak. Angelo is a Yogi, a beatboxer, a multi-instrumentalist, and a polyglot. However greater than something, Angelo is a creator.
He deliberately designs, strategizes, and executes his goals for work, journey, well being, and household. And this creator method has distinctive implications for elevating wholesome youngsters, having a profitable marriage, and constructing wholesome firms with the best high quality merchandise. And we discuss all of that as we speak, and particularly his system for a artistic loop. This method has led Angelo to reside on three continents, communicate a number of languages, carry out on stage with prime 40 artists, discovered and lead a number of profitable companies, and most significantly create the wedding and household of his goals. I do know that you’ll get pleasure from this episode as a lot as I did. And with out additional ado, we’re gonna bounce in with Angelo.
Angelo, welcome. Thanks for being right here.
Angelo: Katie, thanks a lot for having me. It’s an honor.
Katie: I’m so excited to have you ever right here and there’s a lot I wanna chat about with you, particularly associated to issues like household and parenting, as a result of from the little we’ve talked about this, I do know you could have such distinctive views and recommendation on this and I wanna bounce proper in. However I believe for background and likewise for my very own curiosity, I’d love to listen to the way you grew up and what your adolescence was like as a result of I’ve at all times thought it will be fascinating to interview just like the dad and mom of extremely profitable individuals or to listen to about their childhood. So I’m curious for those who can sort of like begin from the start with us.
Angelo: Yeah, certain. Completely. Properly, my household, you already know, generally once I take into consideration this, it’s virtually most useful to consider like the place, what was happening with my household earlier than I used to be born? And like shortly, my dad is the youngsters of like very entrepreneurial east coast individuals who owned a stitching manufacturing unit. And my mother comes extra from like a reasonably uptight company Denver household. They met in Austin they usually had been each very large hippies and my dad was within the well being meals business. He was really a distributor and dealer for botanicals and ginseng and stuff like that within the ’70s.
After which once I was born, that they had a well being meals retailer and a well being meals restaurant in Wimberley, Texas. And there have been already three sisters earlier than me. And it was a reasonably like hippie scene. I don’t actually know the way else to say it. We didn’t eat meat. I by no means had a haircut till I used to be eight. I didn’t have a delivery certificates I believe till I went to high school. I’d by no means gone to even see a health care provider till I went to high school. I used to be raised on dietary supplements and pure meals, natural earlier than it was even actually like natural. And yeah, it was a reasonably hippy scene. Did that give sufficient otherwise you need to know extra?
Katie: No, that’s tremendous fascinating. So I’m curious how that translated into when you left house as a result of that’s a query I now have a young person and I noticed we’ve got restricted variety of years with him left. And in order that like juggling act as a dad or mum of like how do I finest put together my youngsters and the way is that this gonna translate into the actual world for them. So was there an adjustment for you while you left house or had you already built-in fairly effectively earlier than then, or what was that like?
Angelo: Yeah, effectively, so I imply, they raised me in a neighborhood or part of Austin that was fairly…we ended up transferring…we really moved to Austin as a result of my dad was a early 12 months companion in a few of the Complete Meals a part of like their restaurant enterprise. So we moved to Austin for that. And I used to be raised in like a traditional neighborhood I suppose, however with them as my dad and mom. And so it was at all times this type of like bridge between being the, like, the bizarre child that went to high school with tofu sandwiches and everybody else had like cool bologna sandwiches and Gushers and stuff like that. However I used to be round it and, yeah, I imply, as I acquired older and I had extra…they usually gave me autonomy to make extra of my very own selections as I acquired older, it was as much as me to make my very own selections, to attempt issues and to start out exploring the world.
I’d say although that like the inspiration, if something, of getting dad and mom that basically cared, like they actually cared about what we put in our physique, they actually cared about well being. They actually cared about, I’d say even like emotional well being and the way in which individuals deal with one another. They had been simply actually intentional about these varieties of issues that though as I acquired older and I used to be considerably sort of I believe it’s honest to say I wasn’t remoted, like youngsters that go to love actually protecting, you already know, personal faculties or issues like that, however I used to be remoted from a few of just like the worldly issues. However nonetheless once I went to go and discover these issues and check out them and find out about them for myself, I had a background of pondering deeply about them and wanting to decide on issues that had been actually good for me and caring about that. And I believe merely being raised with that kind of intention and that means behind decisions has actually influenced my entire life.
Katie: That is smart. So what occurred from there? I do know that there’s a few actually fascinating experiences in your life after that. What was your journey like after rising up like that? What did you wanna do together with your life and the way did you springboard into that?
Angelo: So, I imply, it’s fascinating. I simply described it as like, you already know, my dad and mom had been actually sort of intentional about emotional stuff. I believe they had been once I was actually little, and naturally…effectively, not naturally, however what occurred as I acquired older was there was extra rigidity within the household and really my dad and mom ended up getting divorced once I was a freshman in highschool. And I promise the story is gonna finish effectively for anybody who begins to suppose like, “Oh, he’s simply mentioned it’s all good.” I did begin entering into a variety of bother in highschool. I began simply experimenting, doing medicine, being extra motivated by social issues and fewer related to my household and my dad and mom. And I’d say that as a result of they had been much less steady at the moment, it gave much more like danger or risk to exit and discover issues alone as a result of I didn’t have as very like grounding at house round it.
And it led me to get into some like fairly difficult conditions. I acquired in bother with the regulation a number of occasions for like alcohol and pot and stuff like that. However then I really acquired into a extremely horrible expertise once I was 16. I upset some folks that had been far more hardcore than me and I acquired stabbed a number of occasions and practically overwhelmed to dying and mainly left to love die on this parking zone. And getting back from that…that was once I was 16, was that restoration interval was actually…it was only a tremendous transformative half in my life. It’s a type of moments in life when both you might simply get manner worse. Like you might get far more depressed, you might be really feel extra misplaced, or it’s a type of occasions that turns into sort of just like the catalyst for better change and expertise in a single’s life.
And truly I had some associates’ dad and mom who gave me the guide “Artistic Visualization” by Shakti Gawain who’s like one among like Oprah’s, you already know, guru individuals. I don’t know if she was again then, she most likely was. And I learn that guide like sort of in my…I wasn’t in my hospital mattress, I used to be like all laid up at house. And it was the primary time that I actually noticed like, wow, I’m not in command of my life totally, however the diploma to which I take the time to essentially take into consideration what I need from my life and put time and a focus into visualizing that and getting particular about it and designing it, the better probability I’ve of making that, which was a extremely empowering factor for me. And it’s fascinating to suppose, you already know, if I hadn’t been slowed down a lot and bedridden and in such sort of a darkish place, would I’ve been open to that sort of message at 16? You understand, I believe plenty of 16-year-olds are simply motivated by their rapid social environment.
And so I actually take that entire expertise as grace and a extremely distinctive alternative, and it actually remodeled my life and it took me to a spot the place I grew to become far more inquisitive about faculty once more. I ended up getting a full trip to school. Via that course of although I did determine to love transfer out early. At 17, I began supporting myself on my 17th birthday. And sort of unusually sufficient, I did that by way of being knowledgeable musician domestically as like enjoying in bands and I realized the best way to beatbox. And so by way of beatboxing a bunch of business work, like Kinko’s and Chilis and sort of all these like weird, weird issues got here collectively in my life.
However yeah, I ended up going to school. I acquired a full trip to school. Via faculty, I…you already know, I believe as a result of I used to be so challenged by that have and desirous to have deeper that means, I acquired actually into spiritual research and philosophy. And I used to be raised in a household that was not very spiritual. And thru that have, actually, I realized loads about the place individuals get that means from the world, the best way to identical to reside a superb life. And I acquired actually turned on to service. I’d by no means actually finished service earlier in my life both. And so by way of that I began doing service tasks abroad. I did them in orphanages in India and Central America. Really developed like entire new packages in an orphanage in India. And I ended up graduating as valedictorian of my faculty.
And so I’d say that it was I imply fairly, fairly outstanding turnaround from how darkish it was in highschool. And I’d say, once more, you already know, to not spotlight too many like darkish arduous issues, however that have in highschool, which was fairly traumatic however transformative, coming from sort of like my very own stupidity, ignorance, youth, it was actually transformative. And but I had really one other expertise in India once I was 21, was a really difficult…it was really a bus accident within the foothills of the Himalayas. My bus and one other bus collided and the opposite bus went off a cliff. And there’s nobody there, you already know, it’s a whole lot of meters. There’s no like, emergency providers. And so myself and some different younger individuals climbed down this cliff and spent hours, you already know, rescuing the few folks that we might from this cliff. And that’s like, you already know, an entire different facet of trauma, of problem, of life, of struggling that was, you already know, not for me essentially making dangerous selections, however simply being in life and sort of seeing how I’d react to that and what I’d do in that kind of second.
And once more, that was a second that I believe was actually transformative for me and taught me loads about how fragile life is, how not in management we’re generally, and the significance of simply actually like savoring each second. And I believe from that, it’s bizarre. You understand, it’s this type of contradiction between, are we in command of our lives? Are we not? We’re to some extent and we aren’t to a different. And I believe in actually having these deeper sort of close to dying experiences like that, it could possibly assist one, helped me no less than to essentially, actually imagine in and actually, actually need to reap the benefits of each single place in my life the place I do have affect, the place I do have management with my ideas, with my beliefs, with my targets, with my time, with my consideration. These issues I can have impression on and it’s not price sort of identical to letting float away. So, yeah.
And from that it kinda took me into an entire, I believe, distinctive profession after that. I acquired actually…throughout that point interval as effectively in faculty, I acquired actually turned on to different languages and cultures. I by no means realized one other language as a child, however I noticed really via my spiritual research, as a result of I realized classical Greek, Koine Greek so I might translate the Bible. I realized Arabic so I might learn the Quran. And thru that I noticed like, wow, you’ll be able to like study languages as an grownup. It’s not as arduous as they are saying. So I realized Spanish and I realized French. And so once I graduated, I moved to France. And thru that, you already know, I kinda simply kicked off an entire worldwide profession proper out of school and ended up residing abroad for the subsequent 5 – 6 years earlier than I moved again to Boulder…or I moved to Boulder. I used to be initially from Austin and, you already know, sort of restarted a profession right here within the U.S. So I’d say that’s sort of…that’s the transition from childhood via adolescence to younger maturity.
Katie: You positively have one of many extra fascinating tales I believe I’ve ever heard on the subject of a variety of that. And I’m actually curious really to get your perspective on a comply with as much as that. So I additionally had a extremely traumatic expertise with sexual trauma in highschool and such as you, I now really am extraordinarily grateful for that have and I can see the various advantages that it has and the ways in which it helps me like develop and face issues. I did understand like even within the final 5 years, I had one other spherical of issues that I labored via with that, realizing that I believe I had shut down a variety of feelings after that point after which had simply powered via, which was nice for getting via faculty and being profitable. However then there got here a degree the place I needed to learn to work via these feelings and really really feel them once more. And in order that was sort of my final 5 years.
However I’m curious as a result of one thing I’ve struggled with a lot as a dad or mum is realizing that trauma really helps me a lot to get the place I’m. And so most of the tough experiences in life typically have helped me to get the place I’m. And all of us hope for the perfect for our children and we don’t need them to need to undergo, you already know, these traumatic experiences to have the ability to achieve life. So I’m curious, had been you in a position to take issues from that and the way you could have introduced that into your parenting and giving your youngsters those self same abilities and classes, however hopefully with out them having to face fairly the ache that you simply confronted?
Angelo: Katie, that’s such a superb query and one which I’m making an attempt to work with and that I actually battle with. You understand, I joke about we had been simply speaking that I reside in Boulder, and Boulder mainly is like…it’s just like the equal of a jumpy home or one thing. It’s such as you’re like mainly like can’t get harm. It’s like the whole lot’s really easy. It’s so gentle. It’s so nice. It’s so good. And generally I ponder for my youngsters, like are they getting sufficient sort of grit and problem from life? And truly final 12 months we had been on the seashore in Costa Rica with some fairly, fairly critical waves and I used to be simply watching get like slammed and I might see how sort of scared they had been. They’re 6 and Four, and I used to be like, gosh, like lastly some problem for them.
However by way of being extra intentional about the best way to assist them develop abilities of, I’d say resilience, gratitude, grit, you already know, this stuff that come via problem, I do suppose it’s attainable to present it to them with out, you already know, making them battle via trauma. And I’m certain they’ll have their very own traumas in life to a point. And the way in which that I’ve approached that’s to essentially deal with them like full people. And never saying that like most dad and mom don’t try this. I do suppose there’s like a component although of just about like I believe I can get and a few dad and mom can get too absorbed in just like the dynamic of “I’m a dad or mum, you’re a baby. I must identical to elevate you in a sure manner”. Versus actually, I suppose bringing the kid in at a really younger age and to the truth that like, wow, you’re a part of this like miraculous, loopy factor known as life.
And there’s components of it that we will clarify and we will perceive. There’s others that we don’t, there’s components of that contain religion, however total it’s like this…it’s this magical sort of difficult world that you simply’re coming into. And never making an attempt to guard them from sure realities. And I suppose actually interact them within the tougher dynamics of life. So for instance, once they’re performing out and being disruptive or being impolite, I actually simply discuss to them like an grownup and inform them the way it’s affecting me, that, you already know, while you act this manner, I really feel pissed off. I really feel unhappy. I really feel sort of caught in the way in which that you simply’re…that we’re like caught on this sample collectively and, you already know, once they’re actually younger, like once they’re 2, they don’t actually get it. But it surely’s been shocking to see as they get to three, Four, how they get that.
And I believe merely being confronted with actual rigidity with individuals that you simply love and also you care about, after which being actual with you is a few of the most difficult stuff you’ll be able to work via in life. You understand, individuals discuss, “Oh, I’m an excellent…” you already know, that is I believe an grownup joke, however like, you already know, I’m nice. I’m like, excellent till I’ve to love be round my dad and mom, or my household, or one thing like that. You understand, individuals get triggered emotionally. And yeah, I believe simply being actual and trustworthy about our emotional dynamics and about the way in which they impression individuals and identical to not letting them off the hook. Like, “Oh, they’re only a child. They don’t get it.” I simply don’t allow them to off the hook.
They’re liable for the way in which that they really feel. They’re liable for the way in which that their behaviors doubtlessly impression different individuals. And different individuals have emotions that come up. I imply they’re not liable for another person’s emotions, however they need to take account for the truth that they actually do have an effect on different individuals. I believe one other manner that I do it’s, you already know…and that is an fascinating factor for me as a result of I don’t really feel like my dad and mom did this as a lot with me. There have been some issues I used to be simply naturally good at they usually’d sort of simply let me try this stuff. And that’d make me work actually arduous on the stuff that I’m not nearly as good at. One factor I’ve actually leaned into in another way than I believe I used to be raised is making them apply stuff. Like simply making them work at stuff that they don’t like. And, you already know, it’s like something like enjoying piano, they’ve really been enjoying drums. They’ve been having drum classes for just like the final couple years. And even once they don’t wanna apply, simply making them apply, like making them get via that sort of discomfort of what’s not enjoyable.
And so, I imply these are a few of my ways to work in the direction of this. However for certain, I imply none of that’s gonna be as difficult as struggling via battle…you already know, struggling via and overcoming sexual abuse or some kind of close to dying trauma. I’d simply hope that no less than, you already know, me making an attempt to be as actual as attainable with them and making an attempt to introduce them to grit and resilience and actually direct communication will no less than put together them for when even, you already know, medium sized challenges come up in life.
Katie: I really like that. And to talk to that, you talked about about like not regressing or emotionally regressing in your dad and mom. I’ve heard that quote that you simply don’t develop into an grownup while you’re 18. You develop into an grownup while you cease emotionally regressing round your dad and mom. And I really like that. You’re hopefully making a situation the place they by no means really feel like they’ve to do this with you, that they are often actual with you from the very starting. And I hear echoes of…like, we do a variety of that as effectively. Like I can’t in good conscience make my youngsters’s lives tough for them simply in order that they develop character, however we journey fairly a bit and we don’t journey in luxurious. We journey and attempt to expertise cultures the place they’re and I really feel like journey brings its personal discomfort at occasions and lack of sleep and carrying heavy luggage and issues that like construct that in with out us, you already know, making their life arduous on function.
And we discuss loads about with the ability to be snug in uncomfortable conditions and getting snug with discomfort typically. And such as you, we are also very actual with them and check out to not do something for them as soon as they’re able to doing it themselves. That was one thing my dad and mom did with me that I believe was actually useful.
I’m curious if there are different ways in which…or different sort of ideas or tenants you comply with in parenting, as a result of I believe like that, what we simply talked about is likely one of the actually vital issues. However I believe additionally like I do know proper now very prime of thoughts for me for example is simply now leaping into the teenage world is how do you retain that connection and relationship and enjoyable with them as they begin getting older they usually do have that pure need to tug again a little bit bit. Do you could have any ways in which you retain these contact factors together with your youngsters?
Angelo: Completely. I can’t communicate to sort of the teenage years as a result of I’m not there but. I do benefit from really in a…earlier to the corporate that I’ve now, it was a younger grownup mentoring program and it really works particularly with like 18 to 22 12 months olds. And thru that I did a variety of analysis on and studied loads about mind improvement of adolescents, which is definitely 12 to 26. It doesn’t finish at, you already know, 20 or 22. It retains going all the way in which to 26, and the way that impacts them and methods to have interaction with them round that. However particularly for my youngsters, you already know, the primary factor I discovered, and it seems like so apparent, nevertheless it’s really not. And I really feel like anybody who’s a dad or mum will get the way it’s not…. actually following their lead.
Like once I get house from work, oftentimes, you already know, I wanna interact with him. I need to hear about what they did. I need to join with them, however I sort of nonetheless have my very own agenda. Like perhaps I wanna discuss to my spouse about one thing or, you already know, I simply wanna eat, or I wanna get to no matter like my subsequent factor is. Or you already know, it’s been a tough day and I’m simply sort of drained, it’s like I simply wanna get via the…to be trustworthy, I really feel ashamed to say this, however like sort of get via the household stuff if I’m struggling for or ready ’until I can have a while alone. And so it’s like I’m there with them, after which that final case it’s like I’m the least there with them, however in different case is I’m there with them, however I’m not completely there with them.
If I can actually simply make them the chief in a second of play, like, “All proper guys, like what’s up?” They usually begin directing the whole lot and I identical to hold in there with that for like an hour, an hour and a half, which is a very long time to not get distracted, to not kinda attempt to take over and be the facilitator of the play of no matter we’re as much as, then it’s fairly outstanding. I imply, they actually like…I may even see it of their eyes. It’s like, wow, like Papa, it’s what they name me. He’s like, man, he’s like, actually…he’s like, actually right here with me. It’s not like I’m a part of his world. He’s a part of my world. And actually, simply transferring that into the teenage years, I’ve actually discovered, and never as a dad or mum, however as a mentor for that age group the way it’s actually the identical factor.
And once more, I believe that’s one of many challenges of generally having youngsters is they begin sort of taking up, proper? Like they’ve their very own world, they’ve their very own manner of seeing issues. And there’s parts of being a dad or mum the place you’re like, “Oh my gosh, like that’s simply…you already know, not smart what they’re doing,” or their style in no matter sort of music or artwork is simply…you already know, it’s simply not that good or it’s offensive. And there’s this factor of sort of desirous to clam up and never be open to them and extra desirous to sort of convey them again to your world.
And I believe the willingness to have interaction with them absolutely of their world, absolutely of their pursuits, absolutely like of their stream of thought and their thought patterns creates a degree of belief and understanding you can’t get another manner. As a result of what somebody feels while you do that’s such as you’re actually listening. You’re actually empathizing, you actually care. Like, you’re keen to surrender your individual agenda to be with me and my agenda. And I simply don’t suppose that there’s one other approach to…I don’t suppose there’s actually like a greater approach to construct belief with individuals than that, whether or not they’re Four years previous they usually’re 16 years previous or they’re like your 40-year-old partner. In order that’s…I suppose that’s my hack.
Katie: Yeah. I believe you’re 100% proper on that. And we had that very same realization with our children some time again realizing that somewhat than placing them in all of the extracurricular actions, they’re nonetheless in fairly a couple of. However we couldn’t let something interrupt these sort of carefree occasions with them the place we had been simply targeted on them. And for us, like household dinner is a big time collectively that we attempt by no means to love get interrupted. And bedtime is a time we attempt to make it possible for we’re all current and that we’re there to tuck them in and discuss with them earlier than they go to mattress. I’m curious what like tangible methods do you convey that in in your loved ones? Like we’ve got a household manifesto and we’ve got sort of conferences often as a household. How do you construct in these contact factors together with your youngsters?
Angelo: For certain we use the same construction by way of like set occasions which can be simply…they’re virtually like Holy occasions, and that’s, that’s the morning and that’s the night. So at all times within the morning, you already know, we’re all collectively. My spouse and I get up fairly a bit earlier than the children. You understand, simply sort of get ourselves prepared with our personal private practices, a meditation, train, and so forth. After which with the children, yeah, simply at all times being within the morning to assist put together breakfast, you already know, I take my youngsters to high school. I take my son to high school now. After which within the night, you already know, it’s positively being there to play outdoors earlier than dinner after which to have dinner after which to, you already know, do bedtime. Like, these are simply these actually key occasions. And I believe additionally you already know, sort of going again to love the best way to…what are the important thing methods to assist youngsters develop in the event that they, you already know, can’t have like these traumatic experiences is definitely, you already know, identical to prayer earlier than dinner. And it actually being a time and a spot to precise gratitude I believe has been actually, actually vital.
And we began that from once they had been like…when my oldest was like 1 12 months previous, simply actually each single night time everybody has to dig in and discuss what they’re actually grateful for that day and simply join with how particular life is and the way distinctive it’s to be alive. You understand, I believe outdoors of…in greater context than simply with the children is admittedly with my spouse and I and what we do. And we began this…you already know, we’ve been collectively 12 years, I’d say we began it in some kind about 10 years. It’s develop into far more formal during the last 5 years, six years. And that’s, we’ve got actually devoted annual planning. And that appears like two to 3 day intensive mainly of visioning out our life for the subsequent 12 months.
And we undergo totally different types of visioning out really like doing dying mattress visualizations. Like after we’re on our dying mattress, what will we wanna look again and say about our lives to mapping out sort of in many years, what are gonna be crucial components of every decade and what we wish from that point. And these sound sort of like heavy issues. But it surely’s actually useful to see in context like really there’s like 20 years mainly together with your youngsters round after which they’re not round. So there’s different issues we might want in our life that we expect we’d like now or we wish now, like some kind of profession success or enterprise or one thing. But it surely’s like there’s gonna be time for that, you already know, if we’re so fortunate as to maintain residing that lengthy. And simply actually seeing, yeah, life in sort of these chunks of time has been actually useful.
After which we do these fairly complete thoughts maps, which is for anybody who doesn’t know what that’s, it’s a visible manner of exploring concepts, setting targets, and so forth. Principally the place you draw like circles on a web page and also you join them with strains. And so you’ll be able to have like a central thought after which sub concepts. And with that, each single 12 months we set our mission and function for the 12 months. It’s sort of like our slogan for the 12 months. After which what are our key aims and wishes from that 12 months by way of well being, by way of journey, particular issues we hope for our youngsters, and so forth. Then we’ve got quarterly conferences the place we go and we replicate on them extra deeply once more. And we make certain like the children are with the grandparents. We’re actually fortunate to have grandparents close by who can try this.
After which each single week we’ve got a weekly household assembly. And actually this, generally we convey the children into it. It’s sometimes simply my spouse Kerry and myself. And in that we take the time to go over all the important thing areas of life. So to be taking a look at sort of this grasp imaginative and prescient, but in addition to be…we’ve got, like, we’ve got agenda factors mainly to remind ourselves of that I believe are all the usual issues that may come up in a relationship. Every little thing from simply fundamental communication, like are there any snags in our communication the place it appears to be like like we’re not essentially preventing, nevertheless it’s perhaps sharp or there’s misunderstanding. Checking in round intercourse and intimacy, checking in round financials, across the weekly schedule that’s coming, across the annual schedule, like pondering out by way of like, you already know, future journeys you wanna make, and so forth.
We now have an entire checklist of sort of commonplace agenda gadgets and we see them and we simply each week go over them and we determine, is that this one thing we have to discuss this week or not? Is it okay? If it’s okay we don’t have to fret about it. But it surely prompts us to suppose via and discuss these issues. And I’d say Kerry and I having that assembly is the only most vital factor that we’ve finished by way of like a conduct that has led us to have a contented household and actually to indicate up for our children in a optimistic manner. As a result of if my spouse and I’ve some sort of like unresolved rigidity or one thing we’re not speaking about, or we’re simply not even like synced up round what we’re doing that week and there’s miscommunication. And on the day of it’s like, “I believed you had been choosing up the children.” It produces pointless battle and pointless stress for the household. That’s not the sort of, you already know, optimistic, transformational stress. It’s simply additional noise. And so, yeah, I imply I’d say that’s the primary factor that contributes to my spouse and I collectively being nice dad and mom and household leaders.
Katie: What I really like about that’s simply how intentional you guys are and the way a lot you make precedence as a result of that’s one thing I noticed a number of years in the past as effectively. Once I acquired actually pressured…I’ve talked about this a little bit bit, however the place I used to be most likely near a nervous breakdown and thought of really deleting “Wellness Mama” as a result of I used to be so pressured and I noticed in enterprise I had…the whole lot sort of flowed effectively. I had methods and procedures and checklists. And due to that the whole lot labored. However at house I used to be far more simply making an attempt to juggle the whole lot in my head and I used to be a lot much less intentional. And turning into extra intentional in household and relationships and at house was completely life altering. And I believe so many people, it’s simple as a result of life is so busy to get caught up in that and simply, you already know, fly by the seat of our pants or simply juggle and simply get via and survive every day.
However after we take that point to step again and be extra intentional, it actually will be dramatic, the distinction that it has for us. But it surely additionally made me consider it as sort of a segue, the enterprise facet of it as a result of I do know that you simply are also an entrepreneur and that that’s one thing that’s most likely vital to you. And that’s one of many core values that we’ve wished to ensure we move on to our children. And so I’m curious the way you guys…I imply, I positively have some concepts of my very own, however the way you guys are incorporating that together with your youngsters at their ages and what plans you could have for the longer term if that’s one thing they select to do as effectively.
Angelo: Sure, completely. And it’s one thing too that I believe like my dad and mom gave to me. I imply, I used to be simply raised on this family the place I keep in mind I’d get 10 cents a duplicate, like, so my mother would pay me per copy I’d make. You understand, I describe my dad and mom as being these hippies and had a well being meals restaurant and retailer. My mother additionally was an accountant and so she had some accounting shoppers and, you already know, I’d be like her assistant doing this totally different kind of labor. So I used to be used to getting employed to do work at a younger age.
With our children, you already know what…I believe the method that we give them to life is multifaceted. You understand, there’s an entire dynamic round ethics and folks like, you already know, how do you deal with individuals, and what kind of relationships do you wanna be in and why? And there’s additionally one other dynamic, which I believe that is the place I…there’s many, you already know, there’s well being, and so forth. However the place I put entrepreneurship is sort of just like the creation field, the lively field. Like for those who’re gonna exit into the world and do one thing, what do you wanna do?
And you might be knowledgeable, you already know, you might go to high school and develop into a extremely proficient, educated technician as like a health care provider. You could possibly develop into an artist and you might be a enterprise particular person. You understand, like what’s it that you simply wanna do? And so no matter what path they go down, I need to…we need to train them and empower them with the abilities to look inside themselves, discover out what they’re and obsessed with. After which know the best way to take that curiosity and switch it into one thing actual on the planet that has actual that means to different individuals and to society and that individuals need to pay you cash for it. You understand, you can interact on the planet round that.
And so actually, any time they’ve an curiosity in one thing, we make it possible for we nurture them doing it for themselves they usually simply love doing it on their very own. After which we do ask like, “Hey, how is that this one thing you might share with different individuals?” So for instance, if it’s enjoying music, they…so my youngsters and I’ve…we’ve made up this band it’s known as The Filthies. It’s a punk band. And we actually do have apply and we report some songs. And, you already know, I believe I selected…I led us within the path of a punk band. It’s the best band to make with a Four-year-old and a 6-year-old as a result of it’s identical to noise.
However with that, you already know, they love simply doing it, however additionally they favored the concept of creating a video and sharing it with associates. And now they’re actually excited. My son Joaquin simply designed our first tee shirt and we simply ordered them. So we’re getting all these Filthies tee shirts made that then we’re gonna promote and share with individuals. However somewhat than it being like, you already know, right here’s this manner that like, you’re gonna generate income, it’s how will you take this and interact others in it and create extra worth of their life. And equally, you already know, we’ve finished just like the lemonade stand loads, which they love the lemonade stand. And possibly, you already know, from a extra sort of capitalist or monetary standpoint, I’ve began introducing to them…Joaquin will get it extra now he’s 6. Similar to sort of the fundamentals of financials, you already know, what the distinction is between getting like a return in your funding.
Like for those who put cash into these lemons and into this honey and into these jars, you already know, how a lot cash do it’s essential get again from it? And what’s the distinction between like CapEx, you already know, like really investing within the jars that you simply’re gonna be capable of use over and time and again versus the cogs of identical to the lemons and the honey for this time. And the way do you begin to consider when and the way you’re gonna spend cash, you already know, do you actually need like the flamboyant jars to start out or do you begin simply with the lemons and the honey from time to time when you get more cash then you might get nicer jars to serve them in.
And I believe simply instructing it as sort of like a sport and a enjoyable manner of understanding the best way to use the sources of cash. It’s tremendous enjoyable to them and it’s not like they’re making an attempt to love go on the market and like make a bunch of cash only for doing it. They’re pursuing passions and issues that they love whereas on the similar time simply studying how cash works and the best way to get a superb money on money return.
Katie: I actually like how the main target for you guys is creating worth and that’s the metric, not simply cash as a result of I 100% agree for those who create worth and assist individuals, the cash can come from there.
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Katie: And we do one thing comparable. So ours are a little bit older and our aim is that they end…we homeschool, in order that makes it a little bit simpler. However they end faculty by about 13, 14 on the newest, with conventional bookwork. After which from there we’ve created a framework for an entrepreneur incubator of kinds the place they…the contract that they’ve with us is that they need to have a worthwhile enterprise for one 12 months earlier than they’ll drive or get their very own cell telephones. We now have a household cellphone however they don’t have their very own till they’ve created worth. And our thought being, we will construct in so many classes in a enjoyable manner into that, whether or not or not it’s monitoring your financials and understanding revenue and loss, or understanding like what revenue is normally and the way that ties to value of products offered or fixing an issue.
So it doesn’t need to be a vastly worthwhile enterprise. It may very well be, you already know, like mowing the grass or it may very well be one thing. I’ve a sense we’ll have some artistic wins with a few our children, however that manner they study these classes in a tangible manner that hopefully is definitely very relevant as soon as they go away house as effectively. And so I really like that you simply guys appear very a lot on the identical web page with that. And it’s one thing that you simply’ve very a lot finished as effectively since you’ve been concerned with a number of firms from what I do know, together with the one you’re presently with, the place I really feel such as you very a lot are creating worth. Are you able to discuss that a little bit bit and the way you your self make the choice on what your profession strikes are gonna be primarily based on that?
Angelo: Yeah, completely. To begin with, I simply love the concept you simply shared. Like I’m positively gonna take items of that and I can’t…I really like that you simply’re forward of me within the sport too. So I can take a few of your classes of what labored very well with my youngsters once they’re teenagers. You understand, by way of my very own profession, I believe it relates very well again to what I simply described with the children. It’s like how can I take part with others in such a manner that I actually create worth of their lives? Whether or not that’s with colleagues, whether or not that’s inside shoppers, whether or not that’s with different companies, that it’s not like I present up and I simply do my job and I receives a commission for doing my job, however that no matter I contributed is price sufficient that individuals wanna give me more cash or extra time. As a result of it’s so useful to them, and that I actually pursue pursuits and alternatives which can be thrilling and enjoyable.
And I believe that’s extra…I believe that’s simply distinctive to me. I imply, I do know plenty of individuals, you already know, pursue issues which can be enjoyable, however some persons are extra oriented round service or round stability, and for certain I believe…you already know, and this type of oftentimes goes with being an entrepreneur. It’s in the direction of journey for me, you already know, like, what’s the subsequent cool large factor I can study or do? And I believe the steadiness of being a superb entrepreneur is to mix that drive for journey, that drive for brand new…that willingness to take dangers with the intelligence to what I simply described earlier in regards to the youngsters, like to consider a money on money return.
You understand, it’s like for those who can ensure you make investments your time in the fitting order in order that money is coming in, you’ll be able to maintain doing issues. As a result of for those who simply, you already know, sort of are in every single place with all of your concepts and also you wanna attempt the whole lot and also you’re actually excited and it’s at all times new journey, and also you’re altering careers, or altering enterprise each three months, you gained’t be capable of get sufficient momentum. That you must make sufficient decisions so that you begin to get momentum and that you simply get sufficient cash within the door you can maintain doing issues.
And so I’d say, you already know, the present enterprise that I’m a part of, Kion, which is a way of life complement and practical meals firm cofounded with Ben Greenfield is, it’s simply…it’s been the best factor I’ve ever been a part of as a enterprise. It brings out the perfect of me. I like it a lot. We discovered a variety of success. It’s a tremendous partnership with Ben and, you already know, it’s simply sort of like, it’s an excellent for proper now. And I believe the rationale why that’s, is as a result of in Ben, I discovered a companion who was as enthusiastic about life, made me much more enthusiastic about life than I’m.
This man is like, he’s a wild dude and he’s been on the present earlier than, so I’m certain a few of your listeners have heard of him. And for those who haven’t…for those who didn’t miss that…for those who missed these episodes, go try Ben Greenfield health. He’s simply actually up for journey and making an attempt the whole lot. He’s so obsessed with life. And he’s additionally actually keen with me to be affected person, to construct an organization the fitting manner, to construct the fitting crew, to do issues step-by-step. And with that, we’ve got been in a position to construct an organization that, you already know, is not only thrilling for us or worthwhile, nevertheless it actually I simply really feel deeply related to it. I like it. You understand, I can’t think about loving an organization greater than the way in which that I really like this firm.
And that’s as a result of we’re actually making the best high quality merchandise we will make. We’re actually making an attempt to construct the best high quality tradition and crew and set of relationships that we might presumably make. We actually are dreaming large sooner or later about just like the varieties of distinctive ways in which we might serve the world via higher well being merchandise and options. It’s simply this type of excellent mixture of being…I suppose it’s just like the idealist and the realist, being related to our deepest ardour whereas on the similar time making good enterprise selections within the second.
Katie: And I’m so curious. I do know I’ve heard it from Ben I believe earlier than, however remind me what Kion means and the that means behind the title of the corporate.
Angelo: Yeah, completely. So Ki is the Japanese phrase for ch’i, which you’ve most likely heard the Chinese language phrase, which suggests, you already know, power, life pressure, and Kion is a improvement on that phrase. And it’s actually the aim of the corporate. You understand, being past identical to another, you already know, efficiency complement firm is to essentially be targeted on serving to individuals join with their core life pressure, with the power that makes them up and that makes this entire life attainable, and to discover a manner of optimizing that.
You understand, in plenty of methods persons are like, “Oh, I simply wanna, you already know, get as skinny as attainable,” or as robust as attainable, or as good as attainable. However for those who actually like sort of break all that down…and this really I believe is fascinating for those who go to the center of the phrase well being, which comes from…you’ll be able to hint, you already know, proto-Germanic or previous English phrases. However actually what it comes all the way down to is like wholeness. Essentially, it’s wholeness. It’s sort of that built-in wholeness of life.
You understand, in search of well being is about with the ability to have this expertise of being absolutely alive, of being absolutely vibrant, of feeling built-in and entire. And we wished to make it possible for we constructed an organization that…like, that’s what we inspired within the workplace. That’s actually what we inspired with each single individual that bought one among our dietary supplements or our bars, our espresso, that they may really feel the fads that we had been about and that we made all of our enterprise selections from that.
And never from a spot of like, “Hey, is that this the factor that’s gonna…” You understand, you might add an ingredient, for instance, right into a pre-workout that perhaps provides somebody a greater pump, they usually might perhaps get extra ends in the health club. But when it’s a kind of stimulant, for instance, that after they take that, they arrive house they usually act like a jerk to their household as a result of they’re sort of too edgy, it’s not price it. That’s not wholeness. That’s not actual well being. It’s like in search of out one excessive over what it actually means to be wholesome and have a vibrant life. Sorry, that was an extended reply.
Katie: No, I believe that was an ideal reply and I really like that a lot. And the recurring theme I discover with you each from being your good friend for the final couple of years and the whole lot you’ve mentioned as we speak is that this superb capacity to study from life experiences after which to essentially sort of create and construct the life and the household and the profession and the relationships that you really want primarily based on that. And that’s sort of the theme I hoped that we’d pull out as we speak. So I’m curious for anyone who perhaps doesn’t have that very same confidence or doesn’t have the life that they hope for proper now, in case you have any steps or issues, different methods that you’d encourage individuals to start out manifesting that in their very own lives.
Angelo: The thought of manifesting the lifetime of your goals is clearly actually interesting, proper? Like the concept you can get precisely what you need and be precisely who you wanna be. I believe that the very first thing to acknowledge and to think about is that it’s not a direct line. It’s not like, that is who I’m as we speak, these are the components of my life I don’t like. That is how I wanna change, that is who I wanna develop into, and I’m simply gonna go immediately there. I believe it appears to be like extra like a collection of circles or spirals and a steady studying course of. And so somewhat than pondering like I’m simply gonna set this aim and I’m gonna get to it after which if I don’t get to it, then I’m like upset, actually contemplate that it’s essential go in loops and circles.
That’s why I really I discuss this means of the artistic loop and I really use this loads with Kion as effectively and like our entire crew, and in constructing an organization. And I name it a loop as a result of it’s a circle that repeats itself. And I believe firstly of the loop, if there’s a begin, it’s about actually deeply unearthing or for those who’re in a enterprise context, sort of brainstorming what you would possibly really need, what’s actually most vital to you. And you already know, the primary time you do it or the second time or the third or the 20th time, it’s not gonna essentially be the ultimate time. You’re not gonna like, you already know, actually uncover what it’s. However what’s your finest effort as we speak? You understand, what’s your finest effort as we speak to consider what you would possibly really need, and are you keen to problem notions of what’s attainable, what’s not attainable, and don’t attempt to suppose via all of the how and the what and precisely, you already know, the way it’s all gonna occur, however simply what might or not it’s?
And when you’ve unearthed that and brought the time to do this, what’s the piece that basically stands proud? Like if there’s a imaginative and prescient for the best relationship, or marriage, or approach to be a dad or mum, or well being, you already know, what’s it that, not in all of its element, however simply sort of just like the imaginative and prescient of it for you. Like the way in which you’ll be able to think about your self interacting together with your youngsters or the way in which you’ll be able to think about your self interacting together with your partner. After which to take that and so as to add some extra coloration to it and to design it in a little bit extra element. Like what would that imply? That might imply that I…you already know, if I wanna have this relationship with my spouse, I’d actually keep in mind to take out the trash each Tuesday morning.
And I give this as an actual instance as a result of it’s like one of many issues I simply constantly like fail at. I imply I do it fairly effectively, however I mess it up like each six weeks or one thing. And yeah, simply designing in specificity what that appears like. After which as you proceed to sort of transfer via, for those who can think about this being a circle to the subsequent stage of the circle, after you’ve designed the specificity of it, then get into just like the “how”. Okay. So like how am I gonna try this? Like, how am I gonna keep in mind to take out the trash as a result of it looks as if I maintain messing it up. And to spend a while on that, and that’s what I name identical to…that’s really what technique is. When individuals discuss like enterprise technique, technique is actually simply the sequencing of actions in the fitting order to get on the finish outcome you wanna get to. And so, spending some good time on that.
After which after you’ve finished that, take into consideration…then it’s actually simply comes all the way down to motion. Like, it’s important to begin taking motion. And a few persons are higher or worse at taking motion. Some persons are higher or worse at strategizing, at designing, on the brainstorming, and simply acknowledging sort of on this entire, on this circle what you’re finest at. And after you get via the motion, and I believe that is crucial a part of this entire loop to judge what occurred. Oftentimes individuals set targets after which go for it after which it occurs or doesn’t occur they usually by no means actually return and consider what occurred. In the event you actually spend the time, and my spouse gave me this perception that I wanted to make binders. So I’ve had binders for years now the place I really observe like my life targets and observe the methods I set to get them and are available again and assessment them on a weekly foundation.
So I come again to my binder and I have a look at it and be like, all proper, what occurred this week? What’s taking place on this quarter? What’s taking place this 12 months? Why…you already know, why was I profitable? Why was I not profitable? Did it need to do with, like, I wasn’t really related with that imaginative and prescient for my life and so I wasn’t motivated? Or was it, no, I used to be actually related, it’s simply, I had dumb methods. Like I can’t even imagine, I believed I used to be gonna be capable of like, you already know, take this big step first. I must take smaller steps. Or, does it need to do with the motion? Like am I simply sort of like lazy at night time and I believed I used to be gonna get these things finished at night time and I’m not getting it finished.
After which from there subsequent, which I believe is admittedly vital, actually checklist and maintain observe of your entire classes. Each single lesson. I actually have an Angelo instruction guide in one among my binders. That’s like each single lesson that I’ve realized it’s like, hey, these are the issues that I shouldn’t assume or suppose that like Angelo’s gonna achieve success at doing it that manner. Or these are, you already know, actually arduous classes that he realized by way of this. Sorry I discuss myself within the third particular person nevertheless it sort of helps to present myself perspective on it. And monitoring all that, and also you get all through that circle, you then begin once more. You understand, and perhaps you don’t want to love, you already know, do the actually deep brainstorm and uncover, unearth the whole lot once more, as a result of your imaginative and prescient on your life remains to be fairly on level. It is smart. You’re motivated by it. You simply want to love, you already know, perhaps modify the technique, and like what issues it’s essential do first or, you already know, perhaps it’s essential discover methods to inspire your self extra through the motion part. And also you simply maintain going via that circle and maintain going via that loop.
And thru that progressively, and because of this I consider it as like a spiral, you already know, you climb, you get increased and better and better and also you develop into higher and higher at figuring out your self, figuring out what you care about, figuring out the components of that loop that you simply’re finest at, the components the place you need assistance. And also you simply develop into a greater actor on the planet in behalf of your individual…on behalf of your individual wishes and goals.
Katie: Such a cool thought with the concept of a loop like that. I simply took a ton of notes when you had been saying all of that. And that looks like one thing I’d implement as effectively. I’ve at all times saved notebooks and sketchbooks and simply journals. However I really like the how like intentional and the way there’s a system there and that is smart that over time you’ll be capable of construct on that. I additionally know that you’re the CEO of a giant firm and I must respect your time and I made certain that we might have a tough cease in simply a few minutes. A number of questions I’d like to ask towards the tip, the primary being if there’s a guide or variety of books which have dramatically impacted your life and if that’s the case what they’re and why.
Angelo: The primary guide that I’d advocate is Rainer Maria Rilke’s “Letters to a Younger Poet.” And the rationale why is as a result of they’re actual letters from an actual particular person to a different, simply giving the perfect recommendation that this younger man might give one other younger man. And it’s not particular to males. It’s nice. Really, a younger girl once I was 20 advisable it to me, and it’s actually a tremendous information guide for the best way to pursue what you’re keen on most and the best way to be motivated from your individual ardour in that manner. And it’s additionally a extremely superb guidebook for I believe overcoming battle and struggling and being related to your individual sense of energy and accountability in that versus feeling like life is simply taking place to you. So I’d simply go away you with that one.
Katie: Good. I’ll decide that one up as effectively. It’s new for me as effectively. And lastly, any parting recommendation you wanna go away with the listeners as we speak constructing on something you’ve mentioned on this episode or one thing fully totally different?
Angelo: You understand, crucial recommendation that anybody’s ever given me was by a monk. His title was Father Theophane Boyd. And I went to him pondering he was gonna, you already know, identical to inform me probably the most superb deep, esoteric information once I was…I should have been 19 years previous. You understand, I used to be like, “Give me the deepest info you could have.” And his easy response was, “Each single particular person you meet, know one thing you don’t.” And I believe in case your listeners, all of the world, would take that into all their interactions with everybody they meet, with strangers, with their youngsters, with their spouses. We might actually have a greater world as a result of there’s one thing that each single particular person can train us and may give us. And our willingness to be open to that’s maybe the best reward we may give ourselves.
Katie: I like it. I believe that’s an ideal place to wrap up. I actually recognize you being right here and sharing as we speak. Like I mentioned, I actually respect you as a good friend and that from our earlier conversations, the way in which that you simply work together with your loved ones and with your small business. And I’m simply so grateful that you simply took the time to share with all of us as we speak.
Angelo: Thanks, Katie. I actually worth you as a good friend too, and have a lot respect for the work that you simply do, and it’s an honor to get to be in your present.
Katie: Thanks. And I do know we didn’t discuss as a lot as I’d’ve favored about it, however you guys, Angelo is the CEO of an organization known as Kion, like he talked about. There shall be hyperlinks to a few of my favourite merchandise from them within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. So make certain to verify these out. And thanks all for sharing your Most worthy asset, your time, with each of us as we speak. We’re so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.