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Katie: Hey and welcome to “The Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from and I’m right here immediately with a brand new pal, Dr. Dan Pardi who’s the CEO of, which is an utility devoted to serving to you maintain your physique and thoughts so as to carry out higher per hour in life. He does analysis at Stanford College in California, and at Leiden College within the Netherlands. His analysis investigates how life-style components like sleep, train, and food regimen affect cognitive functioning. He additionally works immediately with excessive performing organizations from Silicon Valley VCs just like the Mayfield Fund, and RTS Ventures to firms like Workday, Adobe, Pandora, Intuitive Surgical, Jazz Prescribed drugs, and lots of extra. He additionally works with Naval Particular Warfare together with the notorious SEAL Workforce Six to assist essentially the most elite fighters on this planet keep succesful choice making below difficult circumstances. He’s a wealth of data and immediately we’re going to speak about how one can apply what he’s realized from all of that prime degree analysis and coaching to your each day life to carry out higher. So welcome, Dan. Thanks for being right here.

Dan: Katie, thanks a lot for having me on the present, I actually stay up for chatting with you once more, after we met at Paleo FX this 12 months.

Katie: I can’t wait to leap in. And I discussed in your bio, that you’re the CEO of one thing known as humanOS. So let’s begin there. What’s humanOS? And why did you begin it?

Dan: It’s a, I name it a well being ecosystem, which to me represents the concept we do quite a lot of various things. A few of these issues do various things like educating folks round points of well being to attempt to promote fluency, which is signifies that you recognize a topic effectively sufficient to debate it. To little instruments that you should utilize inside your day like respiration apps or monitoring of bodily exercise degree so you possibly can keep conscious of your sleep, and bodily exercise, and each day steps, to even learn how to guides that you may you overview, for instance, to learn how to construction your lighting setting in your house after which reference. So when you neglect a bit of knowledge on and you’ll rapidly get again to it. And even each day program, so exercises of the day and recipes of the day.

So we attempt to assist in numerous other ways and from a 3 dimensional method. I began it as a result of there’s most likely a bunch of various moments in my life that nudged me into this course. However one large life expertise was shedding my father at 59 from most cancers, and I used to be doing Most cancers Analysis on the time. I attempted to assist him with giving him data. You understand, anyone within the well being house will inform you that it’s the final individual people who you’ll most likely assist are your loved ones. Prefer it’s simply very tough I’ve discovered for relations to take recommendation from you, you recognize, they develop up with you, and so on. And lots of people in well being house share that. However anyway, after he handed away, I assumed, “Okay, effectively, one of many the explanation why he wasn’t capable of implement a number of the concepts is simply because it may be actually onerous to get bombarded with a number of data.” And that’s actually what I did, I type of overwhelmed in my perception.

And it made me take into consideration human habits, and what actually drives it. And all of the completely different method that that led to me making a habits mannequin. And that habits mannequin is named the Loop Mannequin to maintain well being behaviors. And the manager abstract of it’s, to ensure that us to choose up an thought and do it long run, we must always know why we must always do it, learn how to do it, if we’re doing it and if it’s working. And that’s the foundation of humanOS, primarily. And so from years in the past, whereas I used to be engaged on my PhD concurrently, I began to construct out that concept, and I’m actually pleased with the place we’re immediately. So we assist customers world wide. I hate to consult with folks as customers, however you recognize, folks that truly buy our program. We’ve got a fundamental and professional, and we additionally work with teams starting from the navy to VC’s, and banks, to firms, and startups. And I believe I’m in the fitting line of labor as a result of for so long as I’ve been doing this, I nonetheless get up every single day and run to my pc as a result of I can’t wait to get again at it.

Katie: Nicely, first, I simply wanna say I’m so sorry to your loss. I nonetheless have each of my mother and father with me, however I can’t think about how tough that’s. So simply I’m so sorry that that was your catalyst. However I’m additionally so grateful for what you’ve created in consequence. And I believe you’re proper. It’s hardest ever, like they are saying, you possibly can by no means be an knowledgeable in your individual household.

And we hear that rather a lot. I’ve had that very same expertise in my household as effectively. However I believe you actually hit on such an necessary level, which is that numerous us know all these items we’re imagined to be doing and we all know numerous the constructing blocks of what it takes to be wholesome. And statistically, most of us are nonetheless not doing it. So are you guys capable of see habits change extra successfully with humanOS?

Dan: Sure, we’ve got. And I say that perception isn’t a binary idea. So we’d have an understanding that one thing may be good for us. However when you possibly can deepen any individual’s understanding on that topic, it may possibly tackle a brand new life the place earlier than you had, let’s say, familiarity with an thought, however with a bit bit extra information, tightening up that understanding to a distinct degree, that may now develop into a ability, proper? It goes from, I’ve heard of that earlier than, to now I perceive it effectively sufficient the place it may be part of, like choosing up a motorbike and using it. After which you must ask the query, effectively, how a lot ought to your common one who’s not a well being knowledgeable. How a lot do you have to train them? Proper? Ought to they know as a lot as, let’s say, a professor on that very topic? I don’t suppose so. However can an individual study, let’s say, the highest 10 most necessary issues about that topic. And if you concentrate on like with our…we create these programs, the programs are quick, 20 to 30 minutes, they’re peer-reviewed by professors to provide them a degree of credibility. These professors might be consultants in that particular discipline.

After which we additionally wish to be sure that, you recognize, we put our greatest foot ahead. We’ll spend months making one course, extremely referenced, very well researched. However it’s nonetheless good to have that degree of oversight the place any individual can say, “Tighten this space up or make some changes right here. I had questions right here.” And so earlier than we put that out to the world, we’d prefer to, it’s not a assure that data base gained’t change or that we’re getting it completely proper, however we’re doing our greatest that we are able to. After which if you concentrate on how… And I’ll offer you a really particular instance. So how the system works. We created a course on the standard Mediterranean food regimen. It was peer-reviewed by David Katz at Yale. We then labored with cooks to then make historically ready Mediterranean food regimen recipes. And we additionally made a how-to information. And if you concentrate on the course, the course is supposed to provide you type of a umbrella framework understanding of how will we develop into on this food regimen? What’s the proof behind it? What’s it proven to be good for?

After which the how-to information actually is excavating the factors that you simply really take motion on and placing that right into a simply referenceable sheet. So now you’ve a mechanism to provide you a better understanding of the topic, you’ve acquired a reference that you may simply return to. And then you definitely acquired this instrument that serves you, if you concentrate on like a cookbook, you purchase it, it’s stunning, you set it in your shelf, and it collects mud. With our utility, humanOS is an online app, which signifies that you utilize it in your browser. And we take a type of recipes from the completely different recipe packs that we’ve got, and we make that your recipe of the day. So that you’re type of at all times getting reminded of those recipes that you must make. And so you possibly can see now the synergy between how the completely different elements of the system work to make it simpler so that you can then implement these concepts that you simply would possibly already be enamored by. You would possibly already say, “Hey, that is compelling to me.” And I exploit the Mediterranean food regimen for instance, however we’ve got that for fasting and we’re making one on the Paleo Weight-reduction plan now which I’m additionally very favorable in the direction of. And even on train, and so on. So that’s type of how I believe we’re completely different, proper? It’s tying numerous these items collectively to then create this instrument that amplifies…any capability, any effort that you simply put in, we’re gonna attempt to amplify that and offer you better return on funding.

Katie: That’s so fascinating. And it’s actually a tremendous platform. And undoubtedly, I’ll be certain there’s a hyperlink within the present notes for you guys listening, when you wanna test it out. It’s actually cool. And I believe you guys have the code “Wellness Mama,” so that everybody can get their first month for a $1. So I’ll be sure that hyperlink is within the present notes at I’m additionally curious to circle again since you talked about when your dad acquired that analysis that you simply have been doing most cancers analysis. So I’m curious what you have been researching and when you discovered something by way of that that has been, like useful within the strategy of this or they are often useful to any of us in hopefully avoiding most cancers.

Dan: Yeah, effectively, it was an attention-grabbing line of labor, and it wasn’t immediately associated to the most cancers that he had. It was prostate most cancers. I used to be working, I had simply graduated with my masters in train physiology from Florida State College. And I got here residence and I acquired an internship working for Dr. Dean Ornish, who’s a well-known identify within the well being house. He’s a heart specialist. And he’s, you recognize, a bit controversial. He has a really low fats plant primarily based program for reversing heart problems. However usually, numerous his steerage could be very measured. And what I appreciated concerning the work is that he, versus a lot analysis that we see, which is, let’s say, one variable, and let’s say isolating issues like a Selenium degree to be sure that we’re understanding if that…we’re designing a research to see if that one variable has an influence in a situation. What Ornish was doing was tying collectively a multifactorial life-style program that was seeking to leverage completely different points of how we reside as a way to have an effect on the inner hormonal milieu that might then hopefully, assist gradual the development of a illness, presumably even reverse it.

And in order that embrace issues like stress administration, which then additionally included meditation or interpersonal communication together with your partner. Realizing that for lots of males who get prostate most cancers round this time, they may be retiring. Plenty of their social community is tied into work. And hastily, they go from having a broad social community to having none. In order that’s an enormous stressor that may exacerbate any power situation, to even issues like food regimen and train. And in order that left an indelible impression on me to say, and that was one other, I believe, formative expertise for positive. How will we then tie collectively a complete wellness program that’s all of the completely different inputs on well being as a result of as we actually know, we discuss food regimen and train essentially the most. Now sleep is coming into the ground as a subject that individuals are understanding ought to obtain an equal quantity of consideration.

And there are different issues as effectively, proper? So it’s stress administration. And stress administration, by the best way, isn’t merely simply realizing learn how to meditate or calm down or taking a break out of your duties, each when it comes to your day, but additionally when it comes to, you recognize, utilizing your trip time, issues like that. However stress administration additionally means getting publicity to the stressors that preserve us wholesome, proper? So many issues which can be wholesome come within the type of being barely tense, or hormedic that may embrace issues like fasting and train. It may embrace issues like sauna or chilly publicity, warmth publicity, or thermic conditioning. And so apparently, we are inclined to type of encapsulate stress as this psychological, you recognize, the issues that stress the mind and the thoughts. However stress is a broader umbrella. And it’s additionally one which we should type of…we’ve got to…you recognize, life has a bit struggling to it. We’ve got to then do these items which can be a bit onerous, however then they elicit what are thought of to be pro-survival pathways that then make us stronger. Proper, so, a life, regardless that train is tense, a life with out train signifies that we develop power illness a lot sooner. Or life with a wealthy quantity and the correct amount of bodily exercise, regardless that it’s tense, makes us reside longer, makes us carry out higher in our day. And that could be a good instance of quite a lot of completely different, of 1’s kind of stressor that then retains the physique performing at its greatest. And in order that’s why I believe we do want this multi factorial program that basically addresses all of the completely different inputs to maintain the physique working at its greatest.

Katie: That was an incredible rationalization. And I wanna go deeper on one other factor associated to that. So that you’d given a TEDx speak on gentle, and the way it impacts our well being. And it’s one thing I’ve written about fairly a bit as effectively. And I really feel prefer it’s a type of issues that individuals nonetheless prefer to doubt actually has an impact type of like they doubt if EMF can really have an impact as a result of you possibly can’t instantly essentially really feel the impact. So I wanna discuss this, stroll us by way of a number of the points of sunshine and the way it impacts well being. After which how we are able to manipulate that for good or unhealthy.

Dan: You might be completely proper. The sunshine sounds a bit hokey if you first hear about it. The truth is, it’s most likely probably the most necessary, impactful points of our personal well being observe. And I consult with a well being observe because the willful effort we make to attempt to get the fitting stimuli to maintain us wholesome. So it’s what we’re attempting to do. And now due to the best way that we reside, we don’t reside exterior like our ancestors did, getting publicity to solely pure gentle rhythms. We now reside in built-in structural environments in order that we are able to have lights on at evening, we reside…and that we spend 90% of our time indoors. And in order that’s a distinct kind of sunshine than exterior gentle as effectively. So general, our lighting setting is totally modified. And never solely that, the kind of gentle has modified fairly a bit. So in 1879, Thomas Edison patented the incandescent gentle bulb, and that gentle was completely used. It grew quickly. The know-how grew amongst the inhabitants quickly. However within the ’80s, after all, earlier than that we began to make use of gentle emitting diodes, however really excuse me it was the ’90s. The Japanese invented gentle emitting diode or sure, LEDs, I’m sorry, earlier than that it was compact fluorescent gentle. So we went from incandescent to compact fluorescent to LEDs. So the lighting has modified.

And now that kind of know-how is in our screens. It’s in our lamps, and it emits a distinct kind of sunshine. It’s extra full spectrum. It has extra blue in that spectrum. So if you concentrate on an incandescent gentle, relying on how outdated you’re, if you have been youthful, it was extra amber tone, extra just like the tone of sundown or fireplace. Now we are able to characterize the sunshine tone from one among these new bulbs, might be extra like daylight. And that has numerous advantages to it, nevertheless it additionally has draw back. So if we’ve got that kind of sunshine on proper earlier than mattress, we’re giving our mind a daytime sign when or when it’s really darkish exterior. And in 2017, three gents gained the Nobel Prize in Medication for his or her work in circadian biology, which is the biology of timing of all of our physiology. Mild is essentially the most vital necessary sign to find out the timing of our physique. And so essentially the most straightforward method for anybody to grasp this, when you’ve ever completed any journey throughout time zones, so that you go from, let’s say, San Francisco or New York to Italy, proper if you arrive, your physique timing remains to be set to the place you left, proper, to San Francisco. However over the course of days, as you soak up as you get publicity to the brand new lighting setting, then your physiology timing can utterly change. So the place possibly eight days in the past you have been sleeping throughout this time, which is now day in Italy, now you’re up and also you’re totally alert and you recognize it’s type of four:00 within the morning again at residence, however you are feeling prefer it’s 2:00 within the afternoon.

So much has to go on within the physique for that to alter. And it takes days, you recognize, as much as 5 to 10 days to completely alter. However the best way that we reside now, as a result of we’re continuously at all times in a state of this misalignment due to our lighting, the excellent news is that these lights aren’t inherently unhealthy, they’re extra highly effective. And due to that, we’ve got to then do extra ourselves to verify we’re getting good gentle through the day, and night and evening. And so sure, the cool factor about LEDs is that we are able to get ones which can be adjustable, we are able to dim them, in order that’s adjusting the depth. And we are able to additionally get ones that have an effect on the tone and the temperature. And also you desire a temperature through the day that’s round 5000 Kelvin, Kelvin is the unit of sunshine temperature. After which because it turns into night, you need that temperature to drop to round, let’s say, 2000 to 3000. After which proper earlier than mattress, you need it to be 1500 to 2000 Kelvin. And that’s gonna be, once more, the tone of fireside. And that kind of sunshine doesn’t inform the mind that it’s day. So you possibly can see completely high-quality, however you’re not giving your mind a daytime sign. And why that is so necessary is as a result of our complete neuro endocrine system is below the management of our circadian system. So each hormone within the physique and its timing could have an affect on…might be affected, excuse me, by our lighting setting and what time of day the mind thinks that it’s.

So it’s massively necessary and that’s why we see people who do shift work like nurses and firefighters and cops. In the event you’re doing shift work the place you’re working, let’s say, just a few nights per week at a totally reverse schedule then you definitely reside your life, you’ll have, over the course of 10 or 15 years, your threat for growing power illness is 4 to 5 instances increased, and that’s together with hypertension, heart problems, cancers, it’s a huge affect on our well being. So it’s one among these items the place when you have the fitting data, you are able to do one thing about it proper now. However lots of people that aren’t uncovered to this data, they’re simply going to be dwelling in accordance with…you recognize, they’re gonna go purchase lights which can be obtainable at Walmart, or Amazon or wherever. They’re gonna use them of their residence, they won’t dim them. And that’s type of the usual default situation now of contemporary life. So we’d like this sort of data to see, okay, this is the reason it issues. Right here’s what you are able to do about it. And fortuitously, you recognize, like I stated, it’s a type of issues that you are able to do one thing about. In order that’s why I like this topic a lot.

Katie: Yeah. And it’s not an particularly tough factor to do one thing about, like I do know, for example, sleep temperature additionally makes a comparatively large distinction in sleep patterns, at the least once I monitor them. So I sleep within the chili pad it’s a simple factor. It doesn’t take any effort in any respect to do as a result of it’s nearly my sleep issues like altering your gentle. As soon as it’s completed, it’s a really no stress, no effort change that, such as you stated, could make an enormous distinction. Do you’ve any, like extra particular suggestions on bulbs? As a result of I get that query rather a lot. And like I don’t have any particular suggestions I prefer to make.

Dan: Yeah. By the best way, we do have a how-to information on. It’s known as Sensible Mild Rhythms day, night and evening. And it offers you issues you are able to do within the morning, within the afternoon, within the night, in evening and through sleep to essentially get this proper. And never solely does it embrace merchandise that you may purchase, and bulbs, and so on. However it additionally consists of learn how to alter your habits and learn how to alter settings on different gadgets like screens. All of us use screens, whether or not it’s your monitor, telephone. So yeah, most individuals should not going to cease utilizing their iPad or telephone in mattress. However when you alter the lighting setting, it is not going to be almost as problematic. So the best way that I prefer to inspire folks to really participate in it is because when you’ve a miss instances lighting, it drastically causes you to really feel a lot sleepier and fewer cognitively sharp the following day. In the event you get it proper, you’re giving your self the advantage of day tomorrow, a greater day tomorrow. So that’s type of the close to time period, faster suggestions profit. And that motivates me, you recognize, every single day as a result of when you wanna watch, let’s say, a film in mattress to calm down at evening, our visible system likes a full spectrum of sunshine, proper? We prefer to see all the colours and so on. However I’ll placed on these settings on my gadgets that then will trigger the display screen to look extra yellow and amber. And I do know that I’m doing myself a favor 12 hours from now once I try this.

And to return to your query about completely different gentle bulbs. When the TED Discuss got here out, gosh, most likely not fairly a 12 months in the past. I knew I needed to put in writing this how-to information about what issues you might do. And it took most likely six or seven months for me to get it out. And one of many the explanation why is I needed to check numerous completely different gentle bulbs. So like, I ordered quite a lot of differing kinds from Amazon and I might attempt them for a short time. I might even have one other system that I can check the Kelvin from my telephone. I needed to get first-hand expertise earlier than I made precise product suggestions. The merchandise that I… And I even have quite a lot of completely different methods that I exploit now. So I’ve my residence lights, these dim, that’s good. However then I’ve night lights and people are on particular lamps. So I’ll flip off the house lights, and I’ll solely use these lamps within the night. And I’ve the completely different obtainable choices. Those that I like are from LIFX L-I-F-X and that versus Hue. Each of these make adjustable Wi-Fi lamps and what you are able to do is have them so if it’s 7:00 within the night, I can have that bulb change shade in order that it’s giving off a type of hotter yellowy shade. However because it will get inside two hours of mattress, it’s getting an increasing number of amber and orange tone. After I’m inside an hour of mattress, I’ve my residence appear like a darkish room, like in pictures, so it’s all crimson gentle. And that’s having a really minimal influence on the circadian system. Once more, it creates what’s known as circadian darkness, which implies your mind thinks it’s nighttime, however you possibly can see completely high-quality, your visible system can see you possibly can navigate your property, you’re not gonna journey on something. And that’s an optimum lighting state of affairs in our fashionable world.

Katie: I like that. That’s most likely essentially the most complete rationalization I’ve heard on this podcast. So thanks for that.

And I do know one other space that we each talked about a bit bit after we have been on a panel collectively at Paleo FX was the significance of group and I’ve talked about this on the podcast fairly a bit as effectively. And I wanna discuss it once more as a result of I believe it’s a vastly vastly necessary facet of well being that lots of people miss and like I do know the statistics about it being extra necessary than quitting smoking or twice as necessary as train. However I believe it’s additionally a type of issues like gentle and like EMF so folks can simply type of ignore as a result of it doesn’t have…like, when you eat a meals that basically makes you are feeling unhealthy, you are feeling it fairly rapidly, or issues like that. I really feel prefer it’s straightforward to disregard, but additionally so necessary. And I do know that you simply share this as effectively. So are you able to stroll us by way of what you’ve realized about group and possibly some sensible steps you’d counsel for folks to construct that of their lives.

Dan: It’s one other a type of actually necessary factors. Take into consideration how our world, our fashionable world is shaping our interactions with people over the day, with issues like social networks, Fb, and so on. We would really feel like we’re interacting rather a lot with people, that the character of the communication modifications due to the platforms. But additionally we’re not…there are literal bodily occurrences or organic results from being round people. After we’re round people, we are going to launch extra oxytocin, which we have a tendency to think about because the hormone that facilitates pair bonding inside a mother and a toddler when she’s breastfeeding, which is true. However even simply being round your mates will elicit extra oxytocin launch, that then has quite a lot of advantages on our physiology to assist us get into extra of that parasympathetic, much less type of sympathetic pushed state, which, when you’re in that state too lengthy, you’ll develop into barely proof against these chemical substances which can be holding you driving ahead, these duties on oriented compounds. You develop into proof against them. And one of many downstream results of that’s to really develop low grade power irritation. As a result of if it’s type of a posh mechanism, I gained’t clarify it however that’s type of the A to B there or possibly even A to Z. And so it’s one other a type of drivers of contemporary well being issues, proper?

And so if you’re round folks, you possibly can change out of that process oriented state. And never solely do you get a lift in oxytocin if you’re round associates, however then it’s going to additionally facilitate your capability to wanna be round them extra as a result of it offers you these heat emotions. So simply being round associates and getting publicity to that reinforcement will then facilitate you being round associates extra typically. Now, it’s unusual sufficient, however we’d really simply must find time for that in our world. Now relying on the place you’re and sit on the lifespan, when you have a household and also you’re very busy, that may simply being round households great. So holding them close to however making time for associates and I wrote an article about friendship. It had essentially the most unsubscribes from my weblog of all time. And it was really most likely possibly the probably the most impactful articles that I’ve written for me. I went to a salon dinner, salon dinner. The concept of it I do that with some associates, we select a subject. And we deliver folks there with no pretense of experience on that topic to debate it. Among the subjects have been fatherhood One was on meditation. However this one was on friendship.

The subsequent day after that dialog, my thoughts was simply on fireplace with concepts. And so I wrote, I simply began to put in writing and I actually tried to grasp first academically, like what qualifies as being a pal? Like method, you recognize, when you simply have repeated pleasant interactions, let’s say with any individual on the checkout counter that you simply see often, is friendship? You understand, and simply type of difficult the concept a bit. After which I went all the way down to all completely different points of like, holding outdated associates in your life, the worth of constructing new associates, how and why to let associates go when you’re not serving one another and serving to each other, which might occur. And it doesn’t imply that you simply wish to abort a friendship on the very first signal, however generally it’s the proper factor to do to simply transfer on. I ended up writing 4000 phrases on it. I believe the rationale for the unsubscribe isn’t that it was controversial. It was simply because it felt possibly off matter for those that are coming to our weblog for well being. However no, it’s an absolute well being topic. And what was so attention-grabbing for me about that article is what number of non-public messages I acquired detailing some interplay with friendship for that individual. I didn’t understand what a non-public matter it’s. You understand, if folks weren’t commenting on the weblog within the remark part, they have been writing me personally. And in order that was actually illuminating. And truly, someday I’ll sit down and write the model of that as a result of I’ve extra to say. There’s extra subjects that I’d prefer to discover, male-female dynamics.

Dynamics associated to, you recognize, being associates with, let’s say, any individual well-known. Like, what’s your… Is that essentially a nasty factor? Which means like, you recognize, when you have any individual who’s type of well-known in your world, what’s your motivation for being associates with them? You understand, and in the event that they misplaced that standing, would you continue to be associates with them? You understand, simply attention-grabbing topics that I’d prefer to discover. And it’s given me numerous instruments, psychological instruments to then perceive that not each friendship must be the identical. Proper? You hear the saying of like, “A great pal does this.” Nicely, possibly one good pal at all times will present as much as you if you’re having a tough time. However different associates will present up for you in different methods, at completely different instances. And so it’s type of let me calm down and let several types of associates simply be themselves and type of get pleasure from that relationship for what it’s versus having some misplaced frustration in the event that they’re not essentially they don’t have all of the traits of all my friendships in a method. So anyway, lengthy reply, however group is awfully invaluable. It’s important to find time for it in your life. And but, you recognize, I believe studying that article on friendship might be a great way to type of get into that topic a bit bit extra deeply and perceive the relationships in your life. So you’ve household, you’ve your mates, and the way do you domesticate that type of good tribe.

Katie: l love that. I’ll be certain we hyperlink to that article on the present notes so that each one of you guys listening can discover it. And I believe you’re so proper on all these factors you simply made, I really feel like group is a superb trainer as a result of I do know in growing my very own group, which I’ve additionally needed to type of construct myself a number of instances in other places. It’s nice as a result of, such as you stated, it gives a mirror a bit bit too. So it’s introduced up issues I wanted to work on in myself, which I used to be actually grateful for. After which additionally realizing like I really feel like if you’re youthful, you generally have that greatest pal who’s like your all-encompassing pal and also you guys type of fulfill so a lot of these wants for one another. And for me maturity has been a transition to extra of that mannequin, such as you talked about, the place I’ve associates that each one serve completely different wants, and hopefully I’m serving wants in them as effectively and which can be varied elements of the group nevertheless it a lot much less of wanting one individual or simply a few folks to be the whole lot and to meet all of these wants. It’s constructing a group in a broader sense. And so I believe that’s a wonderful level that you simply made. You even have been in stress a few instances. And we’ve touched on just a few issues that may assist with stress. And I believe gentle and group are large components, and that however we additionally now know that stress is actually epidemic in our society. So do you’ve something that you’ve realized by way of all this analysis that you simply really feel like is absolutely useful throughout the board for coping with stress?

Dan: Yeah, there’s rather a lot to share. But when you concentrate on one of many the explanation why we attempt to be wholesome, is to make ourselves extra resilient to emphasize. So even simply doing train, it makes the physique extra resilient, nevertheless it makes the thoughts extra resilient too. And that applies to numerous completely different points of coping with stress in our world. So the stronger the physique turns into, the stronger the thoughts turns into too. Now one factor that I’ve personally wanted to work on is I do love my job. I prioritize caring for myself, and my household, and my life. After which numerous the remainder of my time is stuffed in with working to the diploma the place I can overwork. My dad had that attribute, too. I acknowledge it in myself, and I’m conscious of it. However what I additionally know that I must do is take breaks in my day, and never essentially be attempting to perform a process. Let my thoughts wander, take a break, do some respiration, simply sit and chill. Moreover, which is tougher for me is determining methods to completely step away. And the best way that I’ve positioned it to myself is I prefer to focus rather a lot on psychological efficiency. And numerous what we do at humanOS is how will we make your day. How will we make you higher at your day and your day simpler for you? And numerous that comes by way of caring for the physique in what I name the sensible cloth of your life, proper?

It’s one factor that I attempted to admonish you for, “Hey, you didn’t make two hours in your day to go for train?” Nicely, really, how will we then show you how to match bodily exercise into the world, so it really works in your life versus… Nicely, I’m by no means actually going to have the ability to maintain, you recognize, making further time the place I don’t have any. So I’m at all times excited about that may be a extremely, actually vital psychological stressor too. You care about your well being, you haven’t been launched to some ideas that make it simpler so that you can be wholesome, in what works in your life. So numerous what humanOS is definitely designed is with that concept in thoughts, the fashionable human. And I believe, you recognize, it’s not that individuals don’t get that they need to be doing these items. It’s simply that we’re not at all times supplied options that meet our precise wants. In order that’s one thought after which it’s identical to I used to be type of circling round right here, however actually stepping out and realizing that if I’m a critical performer, stepping away from my work doesn’t imply that I’m not critical. It really is part of my efficiency observe to provide myself reliable relaxation. I believe everyone knows that have the place you go on trip and the primary 5 days you simply really feel this decompression. After which by the top of the 5 days, you’re like, “Oh, yeah, I really feel actually relaxed now.”

Now, I want I had one other week to reside on this bodily self for a little bit of time. I’ve been decompressing. So, final 12 months, we did a few large journeys, my household and I used to be actually great, went to Japan, went to Iceland. And I gave myself that point and I must be sure that I’m doing that yearly and possibly just a few instances inside the 12 months. So relaxation inside the day, larger, longer relaxation intervals, a number of instances inside the 12 months after which simply merely three-day, two-day weekends totally off not likely my pc, not attempting to digest 15 completely different podcasts or learn books, simply stepping away from work and coming again to it with a renewed sense once I do return to my duties.

Katie: Yeah, that’s an incredible level about trip. And after we have been additionally on the panel collectively, we talked a bit bit about homeschooling and household. And also you simply talked about your loved ones, it made me consider it. And so one of many causes that our household determined to homeschool was that I might create what I felt like was a extra optimum studying setting for our children, and shift issues like fairly than then beginning with 100 and shedding factors if you make a mistake, you begin and also you get to work up. And so it’s like centered on not the detrimental however the optimistic and simply sustaining issues like important pondering and creativity and issues that I felt like acquired stifled fairly a bit in numerous faculty environments. And I do know that is one thing that you simply stated you’ve thought by way of rather a lot as effectively and also you thought of homeschooling for some time. So I’d love to listen to mainly like why you guys thought of it and we talked about a few of these goals that you simply had to your sons, and so like what have been these and are you continue to incorporating these regardless that you’re not homeschooling?

Dan: Yeah, it is a topic that I used to be actually excited to circle again with you on. And I don’t suppose we’re gonna have on a regular basis immediately even to enter it as deeply as I’d like. However I do know for me, my training, I at all times had an unbelievable alternative when it comes to the colleges that I went to, and it was very, very a lot supported in my household. However as I went on at school, I realized extra about myself and the way I realized and that corresponded with me having fun with faculty, I used to be at all times like, “Hey, I like faculty,” I by no means hated it, however I realized to adore it once I had sure standards fulfilled. And it’s bizarre how faculty can not at all times facilitate these circumstances. So our goals for our boy Desmond and our little man Cas, is 9 months outdated, so this can come for him, however by the top of the highschool time, the marker of success isn’t what faculty he’ll get into. I’m not even positive he’ll go to school, possibly it’ll be his choice. However that’s not an enormous goal of ours. Quite, does he love studying? And does he have the talents to take action? As a result of I believe in that case, the world is your oyster. There’s a lot. There’s extra entry than ever earlier than to data, and the world is a captivating place.

And so, I created these 5 growth goals, or at the least classes: mind growth, thoughts growth, knowledge growth, character growth, after which actual world ability. So, for instance, mind growth, that’s extra concerning the bodily construction of the mind. For a younger baby, what are the completely different circumstances that you’d need them to be in as a way to have the perfect alternative for that mind to completely develop with none hindrance. And that’s, after all, stress optimization, each side of stress that we’ve been discussing, getting sufficient bodily exercise of their life whereas getting exterior with, you recognize, in naked ft. After all, sleep and circadian rhythm, gentle is large, no screens in mattress. One line from my TED speak is that youngsters which have screens of their bed room carry out worse in any respect grade ranges examined than youngsters who don’t have screens of their bed room. That may be a very highly effective level to point out you simply how a lot gentle is affecting our mind and our subsequent day efficiency. In order that’s an instance of that.

After which after all, diet. What’s the greatest food regimen to optimize mind growth? After which when you transfer from type of the bodily construction of the mind to the thoughts, how do you study? What do you acknowledge when you have been to take a seat down as a toddler and attempt to study one thing? What processes can we train them in order that they’ve command and businesses to say, “Okay, so that is the kind of problem I’ve, and that is the instruments that I’m going to make use of to make that course of best.” Are you able to additionally facilitate issues like focus and grit, and self-regulation, doing numerous coaching of meta cognitive processes, serving to the kid sit again, do a list of themselves, how do you are feeling proper now? And simply allow them to as an alternative of simply drive, drive, drive, allow them to regulate, train them how in order that they’ll, once more, preserve that course of thrilling and attention-grabbing and never… You understand, studying doesn’t really feel like “homework” which is normally considered with an eye fixed roll.

And then you definitely transfer to issues like knowledge growth. So for all the knowledge that you simply’re studying, how do you progress it from integration? Are you able to combine these completely different topics? Affiliation. What associations are you able to make. And articulation. Are you able to articulate what you recognize in a method that’s compelling and convincing, and one that may seize folks’s consideration. Projection, proper? Are you able to then take these ideas and mannequin what this would possibly appear like sooner or later below completely different eventualities, and even getting perspective? Why the situation may not play out in a distinct context for various folks in several conditions? So I believe that’s a extremely great way. So as an alternative of simply studying declarative details, you’re now making a thoughts that interacts with the world in an more and more clever method.

After which issues like character growth. So going into that fourth class. How do you develop confidence and humor, management and the concept of teamwork and regulating your ego within the context of working with different folks? Do you at all times need to be the chief? Are you forcing all people to work round you in order that the circumstances are best for you? Or are you able to adapt flexibly to a brand new state of affairs and assist no matter that state of affairs is transfer in the fitting course? After which a number of the actual world abilities, issues which can be completely educated out of us by our world, and never educated by our older generations, cooking abilities, monetary abilities, proper? So we’re now speaking about with our boy Desmond, really giving him an amount of cash that for chores, that might really assist him pay for lots of issues in his life. So we’re now instructing him as a result of I believe if you make just a bit bit of cash, and also you don’t have any duty with that, it’s simply spending cash. So we’re instructing this cash you spend, versus like, right here’s all the cash and also you now need to go to your dentist and pay for that, and clearly, could be below a really managed setting by us. However you’re now giving them an actual world ability of learn how to work with cash in a profitable method. That’s, after all, age acceptable, however then you definitely get to highschool and that individual actually understands learn how to management their funds.

After which one factor I’ve heard you point out, and it’s the identical objective we’ve got, and I gained’t undergo all of the various things right here for actual world abilities. There’s fairly just a few, together with, you recognize, self-defense and self physique care and charity, however the one I’ll point out now could be entrepreneurship. I might be extremely pleased for Desmond to reach at a, you recognize, school age, with the flexibility to study, abilities to take action, the flexibility for management and humor and all of that and to grit, discover a problem on this planet that he finds necessary, and to determine a solution to make an astride to enhance that state of affairs ultimately that’s both native or world, or no matter it’s. And I don’t care what he chooses to work on, you recognize, however who is aware of, there may be different outcomes, he would possibly need one thing completely different. So I’m not attempting to essentially push him down that path. However I believe that that might be one end result that I might be actually enthusiastic about, is his capability to search out an issue and get a bunch of individuals to assist remedy it.

Katie: I completely share that. I imply, such as you stated, I hope that for our children, I gained’t push them into it, identical to I actually gained’t push them into school or profession or any of that. However I like the way you’ve primarily organized a lot of the identical ideas that we’ve got with our children right into a system like that. And on the bodily growth aspect, like simply add just a few issues that we’ve included which were actually useful. We’ve had all of our children do gymnastics and martial arts in some unspecified time in the future, I believe each of these are actually good for shaping your setting and shaping your physique and your capability to maneuver. And there’s a lot cool knowledge on youngsters, particularly at completely different developmental milestones, and their shaping of their mind and their limbic system and a lot that goes again to that. And I believe if you train these abilities early, similar with music, you possibly can actually activate elements of the mind differently.

And make it actually enjoyable. There’s a cool program additionally known as Video games of Genius that comes with the motion, the music, sample recognition, and numerous that. They mainly took the mind of a polymath and type of engineered it backwards and stated, like, how do they suppose in another way than most individuals? And the way can we take these thought patterns? So type of attempt to incorporate a few of these issues as effectively, however completely proper there with you on all of it. And to circle what you stated on entrepreneurship as effectively. I do know that is, such as you stated, one space that you simply and I talked about, however whether or not or not they’ve an entrepreneurial profession, I share your hope that my children will discover an issue on this planet and attempt to make it higher, or see a necessity and serve individuals who have that want. And I believe entrepreneurship and enterprise is an effective way to show that even when their path finally ends up completely different than mine.

And so in our home, I’ve talked about it earlier than on right here, however I’ll say it once more, we mainly completed up ebook work at school by about 13 or 14, ideally, and we attempt to decrease ebook work anyway. However they’re really completed with a highschool curriculum by that time. In order that, at that degree, we are able to mainly transfer them into an entrepreneurial incubator that we allow them to assist study abilities like tolerance for failure, as a result of that’s a troublesome one each entrepreneur will get to face in some unspecified time in the future, and to develop a marketing strategy, attempt at one thing, most likely fail just a few instances at it, however then additionally succeed at it. And in order that’s type of our contract with our children, that earlier than they drive or have a telephone, they need to have a worthwhile enterprise. It doesn’t need to be wildly worthwhile, nevertheless it has to point out revenue. And that method we are able to train all of these abilities of consistency, and all of the monetary points and a lot of what goes into that by way of your fingers on expertise. I like that you simply guys share that. It’s such a enjoyable matter for me to speak about as effectively. And I believe you’re proper, we are able to speak a complete one other episode nearly parenting and homeschooling and imparting these vital abilities to your children.

Dan: Since your youngsters, I believe, are a bit older than mine, when they’re at a time the place they’re providing an internship, please let me know, as a result of possibly Desmond could apply for it and might study from them.

Katie: Oh, my gosh, yeah, completely. We undoubtedly have to remain in contact.

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Katie: I’m curious at a excessive degree, when you might simply type of stroll us by way of each day habits which have caught since you’ve completed a lot analysis. And I fall on this lure as effectively realizing so many issues that I ought to do might do which can be good to do. Which of them make the minimize so far as issues that you simply incorporate on most days?

Dan: Yeah, nice query. I’ve a little bit of flexibility. So this is part of the ebook that I’m writing and it’s round self-regulation in your day. I believe that generally we are able to gravitate in the direction of onerous and quick guidelines, at all times get up at the moment, at all times do that at 10:00 a.m. Proper? A few of that stuff can really be actually useful. And it may also be useful as a really clear solution to a algorithm that you may participate in after which that may hopefully develop and flower into your individual algorithm that you’ve for your self. For me, there are particular issues that I’ll attempt to do inside my day and within the week. Lighting is a vital element to that. So I spend a couple of half an hour exterior, at the least 10 minutes within the morning. So if I’ve a cup of espresso or telephone name, it’s at all times exterior to get that morning gentle. Within the night, I’ve sure alarms in my day, so an hour earlier than mattress, an alarm goes off, in order that it offers me sufficient time to organize for mattress. Okay, cease what I’m doing and now provoke my going to mattress routine by which there’s a few issues that I’m doing together with taking over, making an inventory for the following day, which we wrote a weblog on Greg Potter, my crew did this that checked out some analysis that claims when you… That analysis had folks write a gratitude record or a to-do record for the following day, and so they monitor to see what had a much bigger influence on sleep.

And it was the to-do record that truly had the larger influence of mainly getting out these ideas on paper permits the thoughts to calm down. And that truly helped folks get sleep longer, like fall asleep quicker and get longer time in mattress. In order that was actually attention-grabbing. Then through the week, one of many first issues I do we’ve got one thing known as the Each day Per Formulation. It’s a each day e-mail, you possibly can flip it on if you recognize, it’s humorous. It’s type of one of many extra controversial, if you’ll, elements of the location as a result of folks some folks hate it. “Oh, it’s another e-mail?” Different folks it’s their favourite factor. However in it, it’s like right here’s your recipes immediately. Right here’s your exercises immediately. So I take a look at that first and I created one thing known as Intune Coaching. And it stands for integrative and opportunistic coaching. And it’s a distinct kind of coaching program, the place as an alternative of attempting to consolidate your whole bodily exercise into one exercise, I’ve no downside with doing that. However it’s not the one method we are able to transfer. Quite, you possibly can then simply chip away at these reps for this system. It’s all body weight oriented throughout your day. And I really try this to stimulate psychological efficiency as effectively.

So what I do is I take a look at that very first thing within the morning. After which the remainder of the day actually is dependent upon what the day appears like. And so you must then… I believe the mindset that I actually care to facilitate in myself and in others is, take a look at your subsequent couple of hours. What are you able to do to make that point higher? And generally, it’s, I’m gonna be talking in entrance of individuals. Typically, you recognize, “I’m not feeling very sharp proper now. Let me step away from my tougher duties and simply clear off numerous that little two-minute muddle that has constructed up and congests my to-do record.” To possibly I’m gonna do some meditation or take a nap. So it’s type of dependent and conditional on what I’ve in entrance of me and what my day appears like. However I believe that that mindset of claiming, “Okay. What does the following few hours maintain? What’s in my instrument equipment or quiver that I can then use to make myself carry out higher at not simply my day within the few hours, however actually within the week as effectively?” And I additionally monitor my exercise degree. So we’ve got one thing known as an Exercise Rating, and it appears at your each day steps, so low depth, bodily exercise, and any train that you simply enter into our system. And it offers you a share rating. And that rating is relative to the Division of Well being and Human Providers. So I do know that if I’m sustaining a rating over 100%, then I’m assembly their suggestions for weekly exercise degree. So I take a look at that as effectively. “Okay, I must do some bit extra exercise right here.” And it simply type of offers me that suggestions to nudge me to maintain that weekly sample transferring.

I additionally attempt to ingest selection and variety of plant phytochemicals in my day. They assist enhance blood circulate to the mind and preserve me feeling sharper. After which I’ll do exactly numerous motion. So I’ll be, you recognize, there’s a saying that “Sitting is the brand new smoking,” I disagree with that, sitting is a pure habits, we simply sit an excessive amount of. It’s that’s type of analogous to saying that unhealthy ldl cholesterol makes you are feeling like let’s eliminate all of it, proper? We all know it has a spot in well being, we simply don’t need it to get out of steadiness. So equally, with standing, we wish to be sure that we’re not sitting for lengthy intervals of time. So I’ll sit and stand. And there are occasions the place I’ll be writing, you recognize, my greatest work comes laying on my again writing on my telephone. So I’m at all times altering my place. I’m at all times transferring round. And that’s how I navigate my day and I really feel lucky as a result of I believe numerous the issues that we’re allowed to do, if you’ll, have the whole lot to do with the permissiveness of the environment. If I put on a go well with and I work in an workplace, what I can do goes to look completely different than if I work at the back of my home in a storage and I’ve kettlebells. And you recognize, so you must then type of plan your day, given the constraints that you simply face.

However growing that mastery and the way to do this. You’re the direct beneficiary of all the trouble you set in, even when you often attempt issues that don’t stick or that didn’t really serve you in addition to you’re hoping. Figuring that stuff out attempting and studying and holding refining. I imply, what I name human courses, we are saying grasp your well being observe, proper? There’s no guarantees that we make that, A, in 30 days you’ll have all of it solved. It’s really an ongoing course of. There’s at all times if you concentrate on self-care, in immediately’s world, we’re coping with a you that’s altering. So your pursuits change over time, your pursuits if you’re 20 to 30 are completely different than if you’re 40 to 50, and is an instance, at the least what’s driving you to be wholesome. The setting is altering. Take a look at the reference to gentle emitting diodes or LEDs simply within the final 30 years that’s drastically modified proper beneath our ft. And now we’ve got to answer that. After which the knowledge base is altering. As we all know, the microbiome and circadian rhythms. These weren’t part of any well being mannequin 15, 20 years in the past. Now we all know what a massively highly effective impact they’ve in our physique, however we’d like to have the ability to alter to that.

So you possibly can’t simply train like right here’s well being and in a pillar nutshell, it’s fairly you must train the capability for evolving self-care over time and that has to do with common engagement. It has to do with common studying. And simply preserve working at it making it a major a part of your day and your mission. It may’t simply be pushed off to the backdrop and type of save for the weekends, as a result of that finally ends up type of not sticking normally for lots of oldsters. How are you continuously working at it, and doesn’t imply that you must be a professor in any respect these items, it simply signifies that you’re working to make your expertise pretty much as good as doable.

Katie: I like all of that. And I can’t consider our time has flown by so rapidly apart from that you simply’re straightforward to speak to you, so I can. A query I like to ask on the finish, and I do know you’re gonna have most likely some nice strategies is that if there’s a ebook or quite a few books which have actually modified your life. In that case, what are they and why?

Dan: Oh gosh. So I’ve to confess, I don’t do as a lot studying of books as I’d prefer to. It’s one thing that I’d like to alter. I’m considerably resolved to the truth that all of my time is crammed with studying scientific papers and articles and that’s okay. However studying ebook, largely nonfiction for me. It’s only a great… There’s so many books I’d prefer to learn. I’m continuously feeling like I’m behind. However one ebook that basically has stood out within the final 10 years is “Pondering Quick and Gradual,” by Daniel Kahneman. The truth is, I believe that ebook gave rise to a complete class of books that have been mainly referencing his work and type of rephrasing numerous his stuff in several methods, which isn’t a nasty factor. However that is sort of a Bible for me. And Daniel Kahneman, when you’re not aware of him, is a Nobel Prize winner, with he and Amos Tversky, got here up with one thing known as Prospect Principle. They take a look at cognitive biases. We have a tendency to think about biases is completely a detrimental factor, however they’re primarily psychological shortcuts that assist us navigate the world as a result of we don’t, we are able to’t, we’re not AI computer systems. We don’t go and assess the statistics of each state of affairs. We’ve got intestine emotions and we’ve got numerous these reactions that we’ve got to the world. We’re blind to them and so the ebook goes into this what system one and system two.

And system one is that this type of extra reptilian, primal pushed response to our world. After which system two is our cognitive management. It’s our pondering. And it’s our evaluation. We are inclined to suppose that system two has a lot better command of how we reside, than is actual. The reality is we do numerous pondering and navigating our world by system one. However even simply understanding how the mind works in that method helps you perceive conditions you get in and see when you can see behaviors in others. It’s at all times simpler to see habits in others than it’s in your self. However it type of pulls again a veil on the world and you’ll see issues in a little bit of a distinct method and it hopefully navigate your individual world a bit bit in another way, too. It’s an incredible ebook. I’ve learn it three or 4 instances and I really feel like I might learn it one other 10 instances and nonetheless get much more data out of it. That’s an exquisite ebook.

Katie: I adore it and we’ll add it to the present notes so that you simply guys can all discover it. These are once more at For anybody listening who needs to attempt it, how can they get began with humanOS?

Dan: Yeah. So I’m so proud and pleased to have the ability to supply your group the flexibility to attempt humanOS for a month for $1. If we might give it away without spending a dime, that’s the minimal we are able to cost until we flip the system into Professional. And in that point, gosh, get in there, watch all of our programs are like 20 minutes. They’re damaged into quick classes, two to a few minutes. They usually’re interrupted with quizzes. We try this so you’ve a second to pause and take into consideration what you simply realized, which we now know really facilitates this concept of fluency higher than simply familiarity. And I additionally really feel that doing a bodily exercise, for example, isn’t the one kind of well being habits that we should assemble. However people are tool-using animals, we additionally should work out the instruments that assist our ongoing information, knowledge, growth and observe. And so I consider using humanOS itself as a well being ability and, you recognize, that may apply to different well being apps as effectively. However are you able to work together with this data and put your self in a greater place in order that in a single 12 months from now you’re wiser, smarter, and your sample is extra assured and secure.

After which you recognize, are you able to proceed to develop? So, yeah, get in there, you can also make a fundamental account. Within the coupon space, you set within the “Wellness Mama” code, that’ll give it to you without spending a dime when you wanna proceed utilizing it. I hope you do. I hope you are feeling such as you get sufficient worth from it the place it’s well worth the worth of…it’s $9.99 a month. It’s type of I might suppose ridiculously cheap for all that we give. There’s over 25 completely different programs in there. Most likely 10 or 12 completely different how-to guides, bunch of various recipe packs and exercises. And when you have a Fitbit, you possibly can combine that too and monitor your sleep and your bodily exercise degree. So yeah, get in there, attempt it out, study the completely different parts of the system. Give your self a month and see how a lot you may get from it.

Katie: Superior. Thanks a lot for providing that. And naturally, the hyperlink might be within the present notes so that you guys can discover it. Dan, I understand how busy you’re. Thanks a lot to your time being right here and sharing this. I really feel like it is a wide-ranging and tremendous useful dialog, so thanks.

Dan: Oh my gosh, thanks for having me on. I simply knew on this quick time of interacting on the 2 panels that we had, that we simply needed to join once more. And I’m so glad we did. And thanks for having me on the present. It’s been a pleasure to be right here and chat with you once more.

Katie: All of the pleasure is mine and we will certainly have to remain in contact. And due to all of you for sharing your invaluable asset, your time, with us immediately, we’re so grateful that you simply did. And I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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